which is a much later process so they can kind of be absolved of the immediate response -- >> and called in as a last resort. >> exactly but there are school police and administrators that operate under the hard first mentality and in my opinion as an individual person it seems unfortunate, and so i only pose these things because i don't see them talked a lot in public forums or in she's situations and talking about race and these things and being uncomfortable and challenging the seed in the conversations, in the back of our minds with these conversations i see it as important. i don't have all the solutions and answers but i think it's important to add that perspective to the conversation. >> point well taken. >> i have the answer. >> okay. alice has the answer.